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What to do with a
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Tool and Material Checklist |
New Bathtub
Hammer
Pipe Wrenches
Prybar
Safety Glasses
Level
Pliers |
Adjustable Wrench
Putty Knife
Screwdriver
Cold Chisel
Tape Measure
Pipe Caps
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Materials Not Noted in the Basics Listed Above.
Replacing an old bathtub with a new bathtub is a
moderately difficult project. If the old tub is
readily accessible, the project can move quickly;
Accessible means you already are replacing the
tile or taking the walls down for one reason or
another.
HOWEVER, if you have to open a wall to remove
the old tub and position the new tub the task is
much harder and much more expensive. Either way,
the project is within a home handyman's skills.
You will need a helper to move out the old tub and
set in the new one especially if the tub is an old
cast iron unit. Some tubs require sawing
completely in half to remove. You may want a
professional plumber to make tube connections. On
this page you will find ONLY the basics of
replacing an old bathtub with a new one -- or a
"change-out," as the professionals call it.
Your present bathtub probably is sandwiched
between two walls, with the faucets and shower
head located on one of these walls. You should be
able to disconnect the piping and then pull the
tub strait out. If this doesn't work, you may
have to remove a wall section, cut the piping,
and remove the tub through the wall.
Your bathtub may be freestanding, giving you open
access to the pipes and fittings. Removal is
simply a matter of disconnecting the piping and
lifting the tub out. Remove the toilet and flush
tank, or lavatory to make room (or lift the tub
over these fixtures). This will take more then two
people if the tub is cast iron.On this page, we
show how the piping is disconnected/connected and
the tub is removes/replaced when the tub is
between two walls. If your tub is free standing,
the steps will be similar. Here are the steps:
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There may be an access panel on the backside of
the plumbing wall of the bathtub. If not, this
wall will most likely be finished with drywall,
plaster and lath, or paneling. Remove the access
panel of the wall surface so the piping is
exposed. Find the wallboard joint and work from
this point. Figure 1 should be helpful in
locating the framing and piping.
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Turn off the water before proceeding any further.
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Disconnect the tub drain using a large adjustable
wrench or Channel-lock pliers. Then loosen the
slip nut connecting the overflow pipe that runs
from the bathtub drain pipe. If necessary, remove
the tub drain strainer, which will release the
drain pipe below it
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Fig. 1: Framing Detail |
The walls surrounding your bathtub will
be framed something like this. If the
wall(s) is load-bearing, (meaning it
helps support the house structure), you
have to support the remaining studs when
others are cut out. Do not cut the
studs until the wall is properly
supported. A ledger may be used to
support the tub, or it may be supported
by clips attached to the studs. Before
you buy the replacement bathtub, make
sure the new tub will fit into the
space, and make sure you can move it
through all doorways.
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Fig. 2: Disconnect drain, waste,
and overflow pipes by loosening locknuts.
Tub strainer screws out. |
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Fig. 3: Remove wall covering to
expose ledger (if present) and release tub
support clips. Wear safety glasses while
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Tub may rest on ledger strip. If so, lift
it off the strip when you remove the old
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Tub may be held with hanger clips, which
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If
hot and cold water faucets are inside the bathtub
(not above it), remove these fixtures back to
supply connections.
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Remove the wall covering (such as tile) from
around the tub. One course of tile is plenty.
Use a hammer and cold chisel for this and wear
safety glasses to protect your eyes from flying
debris (Fig. 3). If the wall is not tiled,
remove about four inches of material to expose the
clips holding the tub. These fasteners will be
attached to a ledger strip around the tub. Remove
of disengage the fasteners. The tub may simply
sit directly on the ledger strip (Fig. 4).
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With a
pry bar and a piece of scrap wood to protect the
wall (if needed), gently pry the tub away from the
wall. Go completely around the tub. With a
helper, try moving the tub out a tad more. If you
meet any resistance, chances are that the tub is
not completely disconnected from the water supply
and/or drainage system. Go back and check this.
If you find a hang-up, disconnect it or reposition
it. Then try moving the tub again.
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Hopefully, you will be able to move the tub
straight out from the wall. If so, put down some
1x4 skids or a piece of plywood so the tub won't
damage the floor as it is moved out and so the tub
is easier to slide. You will need a helper for
this; bathtubs weigh plenty. Don't try to move
the tub alone. If the tub can't be removed by
sliding it straight out, remove the wall opposite
the faucet and exit here (Fig. 5). This
will involve cutting framing members,
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Fig. 5: You may have to remove
tub from side wall. If so, remove the
wallboard from framing members, shoring
up the wall with 2x4s before making
cuts. Remove pipes, if needed. |
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which you will replace later. However, the wall
may be load bearing, and you must shore up the
framing -- before you make cuts -- with two or
three lengths of 2x4 or 2x6. If you are unsure
about the house structure, consult a building
contractor, engineer, or architect.
If you can't get the tub out of the back wall, it
will have to go through the plumbing wall. The
pipes will have to be cut accordingly and capped.
If the pipes are plastic or copper, you can remove
them with a hacksaw just above the opening for the
tub. If the pipes are galvanized steel, you may
be able to disconnect them at the coupling. Use
pipe wrenches for this: One wrench goes on the
fitting and the other one on the pipe. Put down
skids for the tub, as suggested above, and have a
helper assist you in the tub removal. When the
tub is out, you can lift and carry it with aid of
helpers.
The
procedure for installing the new bathtub is almost
the reverse of taking out the old one. We will
assume that the new tub is approximately the same
size as the old one, therefore, the piping and
fixture will align properly. If not, the piping
will have to be modified to match the new tub before
it is moved in. Also check the wall surfaces. You
will have to install a new wall surface or patch the
old so it rests on the flange of the new tub once
the bathtub is in its final position. Use cement
backer board under tile in the tub area. Normal
drywall cannot withstand the extreme moisture in
these locations, Do not paint cement backer board.
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With skids in position and a helper to assist you,
move the new tub into the tub space. Align the
water supply and drain pipes accordingly.
Level the tub when it is in its final position.
Lay the level along the rim of the tub and add
shingle shims along the bottom of the tub to level
it. Use enough shims to stop any rocking or
instability. Then connect the tub to the hangers,
adding hangers for support, if necessary (Fig.
6).
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Fig. 6: Move in new tubs on skids
and with a helper. Tub flange rests on a
ledger of hanger clips. Level the tub
when in final floor position. |
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Connect the drain and water supply pipes. The
slip connection is simply pulled down (or up) on
the drain pipe and the slip nuts tightened.
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The drain in the tub is seated in plumber's putty
before it is pressed into place and the strainer
cap is tightened (Fig. 7).
The lift rod for the drain stopper may have a
turnbuckle type arrangement. You turn the
turnbuckle to adjust the linkage so the drain
stopper seats properly into the drain opening in
the bottom of the tub (Fig. 8).
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The hot and cold water faucets are screwed onto
the fittings on the supply pipes; use joint
compound on the male threads only to seal the
threads as the fixtures are tightened. An
escutcheon usually fits over the faucet openings
and is fastened with a set screw. To complete the
project, screw on the hot/cold faucet handles
(Fig. 9).
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Measure for the tub spout from the face of the
drain nipple in the wall to the face of the wall.
Then measure from the threaded coupling inside the
spout to the edge of the spout, plus about 1/2 to
5/8 inch. If the spout is too long or deep to
accept the threads, you will have to increase the
length of the nipple.
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Fig. 7: A spring-type bathtub drain
has a rocker arm that works off a lever in
overflow plate. Assembly is removed by
taking off the plate. |
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Fig. 8: To adjust the rocker arm,
turn the "turnbuckle" type fitting with
pliers and reseat in overflow and drain
pipe. Adjust rod until stopper fits
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Use a brass nipple for this and seal the threads
with joint compound
(Fig. 10).
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you had to cut the pipes to remove the tub,
replace the pipes, going back to the first
connection you can find and working toward the tub
from this point. Reinstall any other fixtures you
may have had to remove. Turn on the water supply
and check the lines for leaks. Make adjustments
as needed.
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Fig. 9: Thread faucets into
housings on supply pipes. Put on
escutcheons and the handles. |
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Fig. 10: The faucet spout attaches
to a threaded nipple extending from the
water supply pipes. A lift-gate diverts
water from the spout to the shower head. |
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7.Finish the wall around the tub. If you have to
replace the wall around the tub, we recommend that
you use cement backer board. Regular drywall may
be used on the other side of the framing. Add new
framing where the old was cut to make room for the
tub removal. Apply the drywall, tape and sand it,
and then finish the wall. You may want to mark
the panels next to the baseboard in case you have
to remove the panel again for repairs. Tile or
paint the wall to complete the project.
NOTE: Keep
in mind these are basic instructions and in most
instances three tradesman are required.
1. A licensed plumber
2. Tile setter
3. Carpenter.
Warning: Be
suspect of anyone who claims to be all three!
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Pros and cons of
Bathtub Liners - We don't rule them but nothing is 100 %
full proof
What do you do with a washed-up
bathtub?
You could replace it with a new one, but that's
not an easy proposition. Most tubs are set in an
alcove or corner, lapped by the flooring and wall
finishes to create a watertight seal and tied down in
at least two places by plumbing. If you're ready for a
full-scale bathroom remodel, replacing the tub makes
sense. If you're not, you're looking at creating a
real mess and spending $2,000 to $3,000 for little
visual change.
But two
better options are available to price-conscious
homeowners with tubs in need of a face-lift: tub
liners and tub refinishing. Both add years of life to
an existing tub at a fraction of the cost of
full-scale replacement -- and in a fraction of the
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BATHTUB LINERS
Bathtub liner companies create exact molds, which they
use to make liners that fit tubs almost perfectly,
wherever they're installed and whatever shape they're
in. The installer plays a critical role here as they
are the ones who take the precise measurements.
Here's how the process works:
A local
installer sends precise measurements and photographs
of the tub to company headquarters. The company
identifies the model, pulls it off the shelf and with
a sheet of 1/4-in. ABS acrylic -- the same material
football helmets and airplane windshields are made of
-- vacuum-forms an exact mold of the tub. The result
is a 35-lb. liner that slips over the tired tub like a
new glove. To install it, the local rep cleans the old
tub with denatured alcohol, removes the drain and
overflow and trims the liner so it fits snugly against
the walls. Then, using a combination of two-sided
butyl tape and silicone adhesive, he attaches the
liner to the old tub. He finishes up by installing a
new drain and overflow, and caulking the seams. Once
the liner is delivered, which can take four to eight
weeks, a single workman can install it in six to eight
hours, and the homeowner can bathe in it that same
evening. Here are some of the pros and cons of bathtub
liners.
Pros & Cons Of Bathtub Liners
* Liners may be the only
alternative to replacement for tubs which are
severely damaged or deteriorated to a point where
they can't be economically refinished .
* Most liners are fairly durable and resist chipping
and scratching.
* Liners may be appropriate to use in dorms or
apartments where tubs are likely to be subject to
heavy use.
Cons
* Liners are expensive.
While liners themselves usually cost $100 - $175,
the total price to the consumer tends to be from
$850 - $1500.
* Most liners look and feel like plastic.
* Liners can take several weeks to install - they
must be custom molded, which requires one trip to
measure, time to order from the factory, time to
ship, and a second trip to install.
* Liners can create plumbing problems because the
added thickness of the liner may require an
extension of the drain and overflow.
* Liners suffer a bad reputation for allowing water
to accumulate between the old tub and the new liner.
This water is almost impossible to remove. The
result can be a "squishy" feeling each time someone
steps in and out of the tub. Not only can the
misplaced water create "squishy" noises, but even
worse, the standing water can become stagnant,
creating obnoxious odor problems. Any small crack or
hole which develops in the caulking along the seam
between the liner and the vertical wall surround can
allow water to penetrate.
* Liners are fairly durable, but they can be
scratched and damaged. They eventually will wear
out.
* Liners can be difficult to replace. Since liners
are glued to the old tub when installed, they
usually have to be ripped or cut out in order to
replace them.
* If liners do not match the contours of the
existing tub, then the liner may flex back and forth
and can crack over time.
* Liners come in a limited number of colors.
Companies within the Bathtub Liner industry shy
away from working on fiberglass bathtubs, and most
liner companies won't do jetted tubs, where a
professional refinisher can do either one. Keep in
mind they can not line claw-foot antique tubs.
Chipped, dented or even rusted-through tubs are no
problem, however, but be prepared to pay more if
repairs are necessary.
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P.S.
Bathtub liners are not available for fiberglass
fixtures. In this case you must refinish. Since your
putting coating on coating the refinishing job
will out last a liner.
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Bathtub Refinishing A Look at the Process
Bathtub refinishing or Reglazing, a worn-out bathtub
is a more site- intensive process, The first step is a
proper cleaning. Bathtub refinishing involves masking
the surfaces around the tub to protect from overspray
and properly venting the bathroom to extract any
odors. A reputable bathtub refinisher will use scent
masking agents such as cherry, lilac, cinnamon etc.
After he has removed the caulk, the refinisher swathes
the bathtub with a delaminating solution that not only
dissolves what's left of the porcelain glaze but also
cleans and opens the pours to allow our adhesion
promoter to penetrate. A reputable refinisher will use
some type of silane based bonding agent to ensure
maximum adhesion. We use the best in the business.
Next,
the refinisher washes away the delaminating solution
and prepares the area and surface for spraying, He
then sprays on coats of a fast-drying primer mixed
with a proprietary bonding agent to promote adhesion.
To finish, he gives the bathtub a cleaning with a tack
cloth to remove any dust particles or insects, and
then sprays four applications of a finish coat.
Finally, the refinisher polishes the tub.
The whole process takes a single technician about
four to six hours, depending on how extensive the
repair is, but the tub needs to cure for a minimum of
10 hours before the water is turned on. A refinished
bathtub will mimic the original surface in everyway
except durability. A properly refinished and
maintained bathtub will last up to 20 years. At an
average of $350 nationwide and unlimited colors it is
the most cost effective way to restore your bathtub.
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This bathtub has been cleaned and is now
undergoing the delaminating process. This is a
critical area for a successful bathtub refinishing
process. The old coating has been removed and the
refinisher is applying the safe delaminating
solution.
Next a Primer is applied along with a proprietary
silane bonding agent to ensure maximum adhesion.
Once primed a refinisher will tack cloth the
surface and apply the topcoat glaze.
The end result is a bathtub that looks and feels
like the day it was manufactured.
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Ask yourself
this question
Before using a do it yourself bathtub refinishing kit?
if you are already
saving 70 to 90 % by a professional bathtub refinishing
why go cheap on yourself now?.
1. Does your DIY KIT COME
equipped? ( Air Turbine, Exhaust Unit, Masking Machines,
and Hazardous material handling?
2. How many bathtubs have
you prepared and sprayed?
3. What kind of warranty
does your kit come with?
4. Will it look like a
brand new tub when your finished?
5. What are the real cost
if it does not come out right?
Is Diy
Bathtub Refinishing a Practical choice?
The answer quite frankly is most cases is no. I've been in
this business over 18 years and have never seen a single
DIY bathtub refinishing kit that lasted a year. The do it
yourself kits sold on the internet, local hardware stores,
or your favorite home improvement stores are not designed
to stand the test of time nor do they have chemical
resistance a professional refinishing company can offer
you. Most products available to the general public,
through hardware stores, and on the Internet, fail within
the first year.
The problems
with DIY kits are many but let concentrate on the the most
important ones which cause most failures. We have spoken
to Hundreds of consumers who have used various Do-It
Yourself refinishing products over the past 10 years
and not one was happy with the results they achieved. The
complaints were centered around poor appearance, product
peeling, sometimes within one week of the application.
The two
biggest problems are with the bonding process and
application processes. Proper bonding of these products,
to a porcelain sink or bathtub, requires a professional
strength bonding, plus a delaminating solution. They are
usually only available with to professional refinishers.
Some kits may include what they call bonding agents but
these bonders and delaminating paste are hazardous
chemicals. This is why companies do not include them in
the DIY kit you purchased from the hardware store or off
the Internet. If they do offer a so called bonding agent
they are usually just acetone or alcohol.(
Not a real
silane based
adhesion
promoter). There is no one single product that can
be used on all surfaces. Refinishing requires many
different products.
Some companies
may ask you to wipe your fixture with muriatic acid,
alcohol, or TSP (trisodiumphosphate). None of these
products will help properly bond their coating to your
fixture. In fact if they are not neutralized properly they
will interfere with the whatever small mechanical bonding
they do offer.
These products
are not strong enough to delaminate porcelain to a
degree needed to form a proper mechanical bond plus they
are formulated to bond on a molecular level. Keep in mind
muriatic acid is very hazardous, this is a chemical used
in swimming pools to balance PH levels. Bonding agents in
DIY kits are rare too. They must be formulated correctly
as there are literally thousands of different silane
bonding agents
each designed for each coating or process. They are
not interchangeable.
You must also
be able to perform flawless body work and chip repair for
the surface to be smooth as glass. Take a flash light and
lay it in the bottom of the tub. Let the beam travel along
the entire surface. This will reveal every imperfection.
You must be able to repair and contour these imperfections
or a high gloss coating will only amplify their existence
much like a new car hood where a hail damage storm has
hit. Nice and shinny but many dings and dents pronounced.
If you use regular BONDO or some cheap polyester product
they probably will not stand the test of time due to
thermal shock or continual which is caused by relentless
use of Hot and cold water.
As for
appearance, well, let me ask you this, "How much
experience do you have refinishing sinks and bathtubs?".
Refinishing is an art into itself, and requires years of
experience to perfect. You cannot expect to just brush on
one of these products and have your sink, or bathtub
looking new again. Using A brushed or rolled on coating
is like burning down the barn to kill the rats.
To be smooth
as glass the tub must be sprayed. How much experience do
you have spraying? My youngest crew member has 7 years
experience and it requires all his concentration on every
job to get professional results. I have 13 Years
experience and it requires all my concentration and the
best equipment possible to achieve acceptable results.
DIY KITS are
self defeating. Why is It is self defeating you may ask?
For a DIY kit to be semi smooth it must be " SELF
LEVELING". therefore it will be very slow drying. A
DIY kit must use a slow drying epoxy to minimize the brush
or roller marks left behind. IT NEVER WORKS!
Brush marks will always be present. Another con to a
slow drying coating to consider is the maintenance.
Remember the purpose of your refinishing is to make the
surface easy to maintain and clean.
( All Epoxy Paints will Chalk and Fade)
A slow
drying coating will then be at the mercy of the
environment for surface contaminates from the A.C. sanding
dust, or just minor air particulates that will land on the
surface. I don't care how clean the environment is after 4
days the usual required dry time the surface will be full
of these foreign objects. Even a Diy Spray Kit Will be
slow drying. This brings us to another hazard. Have you
ever sprayed in a confined area?
A
regular dust mask does nothing for toxic fumes. Now
that you have dust and other particles imbedded in the
surface plus brush marks for soap residue and body oils
and hard water deposits to cling to you you will now have
a surface which will require often and more aggressive
cleaning methods thereby defeating the initial purpose of
having the surface refinished anyway.
During those four days
of curing the Diy kits will have dust settled into the
surface. Only a professional equipment and a professional
knows how to prevent all this.
When the
product does fail, and it will, I do not expect a refund
from the company you purchased it from. They will say that
you did not properly follow the application directions.
But even if you get a refund you still have to contend
with a tub that requires stripping. Stripping a bathtub is
a dangerous chore. I know personally of 2 Fatalities of
professional refinishers who actually died stripping
bathtubs.
You must use
an aircraft stripper grade or a car stripper which
contains fumes which can burn and kill quickly. This is
why most refinishers charge $100 to strip an improperly
refinished bathtub. Even at $100 to strip a bathtub most
refinishers dread this chore and some will not even take
the risk. They must wear special fresh air systems when
stripping a bathtub chemically to protect from fumes and
gloves which protect them from the napalm like burns if it
comes in contact with skin. The fumes are highly toxic
from chemical strippers and death occur even to
professionals. Are you willing to risk that?
I offer you
the following test. Ask your DIY SELLER to send you a
sample and paint a black tile with the coating. Or just
buy the kit and paint a 12x12 tile. Let it cure in a
normal environment. Remember a bathtub bottom and rails
are mostly horizontal surfaces. By the time it dries it
will have so many dust particles in them we sometimes
jokingly call them built in anti-slip systems with all the
granules present.
When you
consider all this it is best to have a professional
refinish your bathtub. Period.
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